- July 23rd, 2021, 5:34 pm#4952119
Haven't watched it yet but Jason at GB News shared a 1 hour doc about the history of GB3.
Ecto24601 wrote: ↑July 24th, 2021, 3:58 am Watched the GB3 sequels video yesterday. I hated every single script idea. All the characters were bland or simply not fitting into the GB movie universe. Granted these were first drafts or pitches, glad none of that ever made it further. I'd still be interested in reading the Hellbent script.If there is one takeaway that's always constant concerning Gbscripts, it's that the first draft is always terrible.
Davideverona wrote: ↑July 24th, 2021, 12:09 am I didn't listened to it yet, but being the one who lands an hand to the Ghostbusters III blog, I remember at least 3 main pitches:Also not technically a GB3, but there is the Channing Tatum crew script that ties in with ATC.
- Ghostbusters Hellbent: the only one where the Ghostbusters are still active. They loose Peter and start recruiting. 1999-2005
- Ghostbusters 3: various drafts from Stupnitsky and Eisenberg. This one, I don't know the main plot. 2008 - 2011
- Ghostbusters Alive Again: various drafts from Ethan Coen. The last one (Alive Again) sees the Ghostbusters disbanded with Egon and Ray dead, they are in the movie as ghosts. There are bits of the plot in the leaked Sony mail, the Ghostbusters 3 blog made a summary of it. 2012-2014.
Alphagaia wrote: ↑July 24th, 2021, 4:52 amForgot to add that of all the ideas concering the story outline of a GB3 direct sequel I heard and read about, the video game story is the strongest of them all, hands down. It has weaknesses and shortcomings, but as an overall story arch tie-in to GB1 and GB2, it's the best of them lot. Afterlife/Legacy I'd consider as the best idea (of what I know about the story so far) we could get TODAY, 30+ years after GB2.Ecto24601 wrote: ↑July 24th, 2021, 3:58 am Watched the GB3 sequels video yesterday. I hated every single script idea. All the characters were bland or simply not fitting into the GB movie universe. Granted these were first drafts or pitches, glad none of that ever made it further. I'd still be interested in reading the Hellbent script.If there is one takeaway that's always constant concerning Gbscripts, it's that the first draft is always terrible.
Alphagaia wrote: ↑July 24th, 2021, 4:52 am100%.Ecto24601 wrote: ↑July 24th, 2021, 3:58 am Watched the GB3 sequels video yesterday. I hated every single script idea. All the characters were bland or simply not fitting into the GB movie universe. Granted these were first drafts or pitches, glad none of that ever made it further. I'd still be interested in reading the Hellbent script.If there is one takeaway that's always constant concerning Gbscripts, it's that the first draft is always terrible.
yourbigpalal83 wrote: ↑July 24th, 2021, 9:43 pm It all depends on the director and talent involved. Some screenplays are shot word for word and the director will give the actors hell if they change anything in it! Others, are more starting points for the cast and crew to discover the film while shooting it or even in editing!I’ve always fought against the notion that GB2 needed to be drastically different from the first film. Why? I mean, I love James Bond & Indiana Jones movies. And they are all pretty much the same. The Statue of Liberty walking is a great visual(and not played for a joke the way Stay Puft is). I love the concept of the negative energy & Vigo is pretty original from a villain stand point. No one praises Ghostbusters 2 for the restraint it shows. There’s very little actual Ghostbusting. Usually when sequel are made the stakes are always raised, but Ghostbusters 2 actually feels smaller. And I don’t mind that. At all.
Heres the problem with Ghostbusters...It was lighting in a bottle. For me, it and Titanic are PERFECT films! You cant possibly do those two films any more flawless IMHO then they allready are.
Not to bash ATC as my view on that film has changed over the years (i still will never think its a good movie) but every single person involved with that film from Paul Feig to the ladies in the cast, are EXTREMELEY TALENTED when given the right material.
Same thing with the original cast from the original film.
The original Ghostbusters played to all their strengths and gave them all plenty of original material to work with and develop into something special.
ATC just dident jell together. They relied on improve way to much with no solid story or foundation outside iconography from the orignal.
That film IMHO was fatally flawed from its concept as a reboot. Had nothing to do with women being ghostbusters, it was like demolishing a perfectly good foundation for a house and putting an near exact same one up to build your home on, but not as well planned!
Even Ghostbusters 2, which i adore, is a weak script. You arent doing anything drastically different, its yet another going into business opening and the ending is near a carbon copy of the first film (Ghostbusters have to save the city, giant creature is involved, send the bad guy back to his/her realm etc.
IT WAS THE CHEMESTRY OF THE ORIGNAL CAST THAT SAVED GB2!
Ghostbusters 2 is rewatchable because we all want to hang with the original team again!
You can write all sorts of scrips and stories for ghostbusters, but its up to the talent involved to make it plausible and relatable.
All of these rejected scrips from what little i know of them, have their likable elements! Its how all those elements would have come together to make a film is what matters.
For all we know, Afterlife could be horrible! I doubt it very much, its in very capable hands but it is a possibility. We wont know until we see it! It all depends on multiple things.
Ectojeff88 wrote: ↑July 22nd, 2021, 10:37 amNearly all the others have had more revisions and updates but GB has taken 32 years. We want to see it everywhere like Batman or Marvel, and the marketing is now just a very short wait.You might just be talking about the marketing rollout, regardless of how the movie does, but I still think it's in everyone's best interest to hope that this new movie is a solid success. I'm not expecting this to be a smash hit, I just want it to be well-liked and successful enough to maybe continue the series, and then we can see where it goes.
yourbigpalal83 wrote: ↑July 24th, 2021, 1:21 pmI don't know why Sony doesn't collect all these scripts and release them as special books with various concept art and the like. I really feel that this is a huge untapped market for film fans, where studios can basically unload various unproduced "Junk" cluttering their archives (in the form of screenplay's and concept art, etc) and still make some sort of profit off of them!While I think pretty much all of us would love this, I suspect the reason they don't do this is there are so many legal hoops to jump through. Do any of the writers want their work-in-progress drafts published? What about people like Harold Ramis, who we can no longer ask? How do writers, artists, and collaborators negotiate pay for a published compendium of ideas that never made it into a film?
I mean, imagine a whole series of unproduced Ghostbusters Screenplay's complete with concept art, etc. I know id love to buy that bookset.
RichardLess wrote: ↑July 24th, 2021, 10:36 pmI’ve always fought against the notion that GB2 needed to be drastically different from the first film. Why? I mean, I love James Bond & Indiana Jones movies. And they are all pretty much the same. The Statue of Liberty walking is a great visual(and not played for a joke the way Stay Puft is). I love the concept of the negative energy & Vigo is pretty original from a villain stand point. No one praises Ghostbusters 2 for the restraint it shows. There’s very little actual Ghostbusting. Usually when sequel are made the stakes are always raised, but Ghostbusters 2 actually feels smaller.I half agree with this and half disagree: the river of slime and possessed painting don't get enough credit for being original ideas developed for the sequel, but I do think returning the Ghostbusters to underdogs is a real mistake, because overall I think the repetition of the general plot structure, including a bureaucratic villain, makes the movie feel more similar to the original than it needs to.
RichardLess wrote: ↑July 24th, 2021, 10:36 pmYou know what might’ve been cool? So in the end of ATC the Ghostbusters have to close a portal. And they cross the streams to close it, but right before it closes they catch a glimpse of something…4 men dressed in similar gear as them. The OGB’s!Still my absolute most-loathed idea. I'm sure we've talked about it before, but the whole joy of the reboot for me was getting a new take with a complementary flavor of this thing I like. It also just rubs me the wrong way because even if it's not a conscious intent, it feels like an attempt to reiterate in-universe that the original Ghostbusters came first. I never wanted the new movie to be a sequel, I never wanted it to be a multiverse, I just wanted it to be an entirely alternate version that exists as its own thing.
deadderek wrote: ↑July 25th, 2021, 12:42 amNot yet, but I intend to. My friends just splorted out a child, so it's my intent to indoctrinate the wee lad as soon as possible by stocking up on some of the kid friendly toys and role play gear... minus the ghost whistle because I don't want to torture my friends that badly.
So has anyone here bought any of the new toys that have gone out yet?
Alphagaia wrote:Good call. I warned all my friends and family that anything that produces sounds will go straight to the bin.I’d be down for this. I loved the ATC cast they were easily best part of the film. And I always wanted a live action GB show
Speaking of ATC, last time I heard about an continuation was a tvshow that centered on multiple dimensions like the IDW as Ivan liked that idea. I wonder if that is getting greenlit.
droidguy1119 wrote: ↑July 24th, 2021, 11:38 pmEctojeff88 wrote: ↑July 22nd, 2021, 10:37 amNearly all the others have had more revisions and updates but GB has taken 32 years. We want to see it everywhere like Batman or Marvel, and the marketing is now just a very short wait.You might just be talking about the marketing rollout, regardless of how the movie does, but I still think it's in everyone's best interest to hope that this new movie is a solid success. I'm not expecting this to be a smash hit, I just want it to be well-liked and successful enough to maybe continue the series, and then we can see where it goes.yourbigpalal83 wrote: ↑July 24th, 2021, 1:21 pmI don't know why Sony doesn't collect all these scripts and release them as special books with various concept art and the like. I really feel that this is a huge untapped market for film fans, where studios can basically unload various unproduced "Junk" cluttering their archives (in the form of screenplay's and concept art, etc) and still make some sort of profit off of them!While I think pretty much all of us would love this, I suspect the reason they don't do this is there are so many legal hoops to jump through. Do any of the writers want their work-in-progress drafts published? What about people like Harold Ramis, who we can no longer ask? How do writers, artists, and collaborators negotiate pay for a published compendium of ideas that never made it into a film?
I mean, imagine a whole series of unproduced Ghostbusters Screenplay's complete with concept art, etc. I know id love to buy that bookset.
Writers also often return to unpublished material and rework it into something else. So if any of those writers ended up re-developing concepts or plot arcs originally created for a Ghostbusters sequel into something else, then that might be another can of worms to untangle, especially if that thing got made.RichardLess wrote: ↑July 24th, 2021, 10:36 pmI’ve always fought against the notion that GB2 needed to be drastically different from the first film. Why? I mean, I love James Bond & Indiana Jones movies. And they are all pretty much the same. The Statue of Liberty walking is a great visual(and not played for a joke the way Stay Puft is). I love the concept of the negative energy & Vigo is pretty original from a villain stand point. No one praises Ghostbusters 2 for the restraint it shows. There’s very little actual Ghostbusting. Usually when sequel are made the stakes are always raised, but Ghostbusters 2 actually feels smaller.I half agree with this and half disagree: the river of slime and possessed painting don't get enough credit for being original ideas developed for the sequel, but I do think returning the Ghostbusters to underdogs is a real mistake, because overall I think the repetition of the general plot structure, including a bureaucratic villain, makes the movie feel more similar to the original than it needs to.RichardLess wrote: ↑July 24th, 2021, 10:36 pmYou know what might’ve been cool? So in the end of ATC the Ghostbusters have to close a portal. And they cross the streams to close it, but right before it closes they catch a glimpse of something…4 men dressed in similar gear as them. The OGB’s!Still my absolute most-loathed idea. I'm sure we've talked about it before, but the whole joy of the reboot for me was getting a new take with a complementary flavor of this thing I like. It also just rubs me the wrong way because even if it's not a conscious intent, it feels like an attempt to reiterate in-universe that the original Ghostbusters came first. I never wanted the new movie to be a sequel, I never wanted it to be a multiverse, I just wanted it to be an entirely alternate version that exists as its own thing.
RichardLess wrote: ↑July 25th, 2021, 4:19 amSee, that’s why I wanted a sequel. Ghostbusters, for me, is all about the characters. I just love them. I want to spend time with them, see them ply their trade, interacting. Ghostbusters deals with the Supernatural and so that lends itself well to a multiverse. If you are going to play in the Ghostbusters sandbox, have fun.A major factor here is that we are talking about a movie that was announced in October 2014. Ghostbusters 3 had stalled for 25 years, it didn't seem like Bill was going to do it, and Harold Ramis had already passed away, making a true reunion impossible. At a certain point, it seemed like you had to embrace the inevitable. Even this movie is still moving away from some of the iconography, taking the movie out of New York City and clearly focusing on a new set of characters. As I have always said, as much as I like the original two movies, I also want the series to change and grow. It needs to change and grow, or it will die. A brand-new universe fully driven by new characters was one way to do that, even if the audience didn't go for it.
RichardLess wrote: ↑July 25th, 2021, 4:19 amI think that might’ve helped with the negative fan & audience reception—to some degree. Just imagine the reaction of audiences watching the entire GB ATC thinking it’s a reboot and then bam, at the very end we are hit with this idea & promise of something more.For me, that would have immediately stunted the possibilities, and kind of ruined the movie for me, and I bet there are other people who liked the 2016 movie who would have felt the same way. I also wouldn't be shocked if the vast majority of GB fans who disliked the movie would not have been swayed by this as a stinger if the rest of the movie was the same, because it doesn't solve the fact that they didn't like the movie itself. Pleasing fans is not an easy target. As Kingpin just mentioned, there's a contingent of fans -- probably a small number, but I've seen plenty of them too -- who are now rejecting Afterlife simply because of the release delays, grousing that they won't bother seeing it anymore because Sony is "botching the release." They hate the things I mentioned, that it's about kids ("'Stranger Things' much?"), that it's not set in NYC, etc.
RichardLess wrote: ↑July 25th, 2021, 4:19 amWhat do you think about the characters being friends from the start? They use to be friends and then that business with the book? But the real problem is the villain. There’s no build up or mythology at play. And then the end where its just CGI ghost mayhem and…there’s no strong idea at play here.I will admit, my prevailing complaint about the 2016 movie is Feig's desire to get a 90 on the cards at test screenings, which prompted him to cut story for jokes. I think the Erin/Abby friendship thread is better developed in the extended cut, but even then, some crucial scenes are left out of both versions because they're not big laugh moments, namely the part where Abby confronts Erin at the college after they get fake arrested at the Mercado, and the part where Erin re-watches the last time they were together on her laptop, bailing on Abby on a college public access show). However, I like the idea that the movie is about Erin learning to be internally validated rather than externally validated, and coming back to Abby understanding that having each other is more important than the approval of the public.
RichardLess wrote: ↑July 25th, 2021, 4:19 amI’ve read the details about the other GB3 projects and we probably dodged a bullet or two there. They’d also probably have the big CGI fest finale.I can also agree with this. I definitely think Afterlife is the most promising iteration of a third movie in the original universe, and if we're going to get one, I'm glad this is what it is.