groschopf wrote: ↑August 4th, 2021, 9:07 amIf I'm Dan, and I look at how that entanglement of each person's rights prevented more movies being made, eschewing the deal was the smart thing to do.
I am 100% confident
Ghostbusters 3 would've been made before this if that veto arrangement hadn't been in place...for better or worse.
JonXCTrack wrote: ↑August 4th, 2021, 9:10 amMurray may have been the reason Ghostbusters 3 wasn't made years ago, but maybe he wasn't being a jerk, and really thought the scripts were terrible.
I simultaneously think that Bill never read a
Ghostbusters 3 script before
Afterlife, and also feel confident that the sequels pitched in the interim would've been okay at best. The concept for
Hellbent is cool, but the jokes that are always cited (like "Luke Siffler") aren't exactly convincing.
I'll also give the potentially controversial opinion that the game strikes me as mediocre in all the ways I would've expected the third movie to be mediocre. The jokes and levels continually call back to the original movies instead of doing something fresh, and so do the mythos in the story (which is why I'm so concerned about seeing that in
Afterlife). Bill also gives a pretty over-the-top performance in it, although in this hypothetical alternate universe where there was no deal, I doubt he would've been in it at all.
RichardLess wrote: ↑August 4th, 2021, 11:46 amAnd yes, Aykroyd and Ramis complemented each other wonderfully.
I’ve always resisted the idea that they needed new GBs in the mid-late 1990s to pass the torch to.
If I were to boil down the core issue with
Ghostbusters 3 through the '90s and early '00s, it's that what we were getting was almost all Aykroyd and very little Ramis, IMO.
IMO, between the four guys and Ivan, I think that's about the full spectrum of levels of commitment to a
Ghostbusters 3. Bill on the negative end, with his feeling that
Ghostbusters II wasn't up to snuff and a strong desire to do other things. Harold is warmer, not exactly negative, but simply that the "other things" were the source of his active attention, even if he was easygoing and willing to contribute to Dan's ideas. Ivan was probably right in the middle: actively willing, if the script was right, but arguably the most pragmatic about the obstacles in the way. Then you have Ernie, a working actor who was game for anything, and finally Dan, the full-on cheerleader.
In keeping with that, I feel like Harold was the one who was most consistently bringing up the fact that they needed new blood. Some of that was pragmatism (both artistic and commercial), some of that might've been his own step back from the spotlight, and some of that was his generosity -- I think he probably would've liked shepherding some young actors into a big spotlight, and maybe the opportunity to play comedically with fresh talent was something that would've made him more invested in the project.
RichardLess wrote: ↑August 4th, 2021, 11:46 amOne thing that kind of excites me with us finally getting a 3rd film is hopefully us getting a documentary on the eventual DVD/Blu Ray about the crazy long journey this movie has been thru.
While I would really like that, I'm skeptical it will be on the
Afterlife Blu-ray. I can imagine five minutes being devoted to this in an EPK, but really digging into it sounds more like something a fan will have to be passionate about.
RichardLess wrote: ↑August 4th, 2021, 11:46 amI’m just thankful we never got the “Venkman is a ghost” or “Ray and Egon are ghosts” ideas. I HATED that concept. It was too shark jumpy for me.
When Bill said it, I assume that was just a flip joke. I was kind of surprised that they went that route with
Alive Again.
JonXCTrack wrote: ↑August 4th, 2021, 12:36 pmI'm wondering what will happen with Ecto-Force should Ghostbusters: Afterlife be successful.
Isn't this dead?
lozbloke wrote: ↑August 4th, 2021, 3:01 pm Likewise, what happened to the Etan Cohen script. Did any plot details of that ever surface. I can't remember now lol
Wasn't
Alive Again the Etan draft? He might've rewrote Stupnitsky and Eisenberg as well, but Etan is the last writer I remember tackling the project before it became a reboot.
MikeyJ122 wrote: ↑August 4th, 2021, 5:39 pmI also feel that Jason, Ivan and Dan need to sit down within the next few months and REALLY start planning out the future of the franchise. Does Jason want to do more GB films? I think the idea of Cobrai Kai type series is smart, but that's just my opinion.
To be entirely honest, I don't know what's going to happen after this, but I would be somewhat surprised if Jason remains as more than an executive producer. One of the things that gives me the most hope for the film as a film and not just as a fan of the series is that Jason has an emotional hook, which is exploring his father's legacy. He says in "Pass the Proton Pack" that he was the age his father was when Ivan made
Ghostbusters, and I think that made him introspective. I want the franchise to continue for sure, but I also think that Jason will move on to another thing after this, and not stick around to be the steward of
Ghostbusters.
BatDan wrote: ↑August 4th, 2021, 5:57 pmEvolution was just a (desperate?) attempt to recreating GB..its almost like it was GB3 just filtered out all the IP. That movie wouldve been better had Harold doctored up a draft for Ivan.
I used to feel this was true, but looking at it now, I think the movie is better than that, even if it's only occasionally successful. So much of what makes it seem like
Ghostbusters is the marketing, with the symbol the marketing is built around and the ridiculous cartoon. While I have always wanted more
Ghostbusters movies and I'm excited for
Afterlife and whatever comes next, I think
Evolution was a smarter thing to do: apply the broad formula to something new. In an IP-saturated marketplace, the movie ends up feeling refreshing.
MikeyJ122 wrote: ↑August 4th, 2021, 9:14 pmHence why Gozer is a GREAT choice for a villain. How often do we see the same villain return in a franchise (outside of horror)?
I feel like this happens all the time. I don't think the normies are any more swayed by Gozer than anything else -- I honestly don't think they even recognize Gozer in the trailer. They probably recognize the Terror Dog.
RichardLess wrote: ↑August 5th, 2021, 1:37 pmHas there been an example of a so called “legacy sequel” where the original CAST, WRITERS & DIRECTOR have all been brought back?
Quite a few of them, including some that qualify more than
Afterlife.
Key living people from all categories, albeit not in the same roles, ala
Afterlife:
- Blade Runner 2049 (Ridley Scott, Hampton Fancher, Harrison Ford)
- Creed (Sylvester Stallone, Robert Chartoff, Irwin Winkler)
- Halloween (2018) (John Carpenter, Jamie Lee Curtis)
- Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, Harrison Ford)
- Mad Max: Fury Road (George Miller, Hugh Keays-Byrne)
- Terminator: Dark Fate (James Cameron, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Linda Hamilton)
Meets your criteria better than
Afterlife:
- T2 Trainspotting (Danny Boyle, John Hodge, Andrew MacDonald, the five leads)
Meets most of your criteria:
- Bill & Ted Face the Music (Ed Solomon and Chris Matheson, Scott Kroopf, Keanu Reeves, Alex Winter, William Sadler, several other cast members -- note that all three of the movies have had different directors now)