mrmichaelt wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 5:34 pmRichardLess wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 8:50 amI think I’ve said this before but..
At least six times.
RichardLess wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 8:50 amAnother thing they could’ve done is do the “choose the form of the destructor” but have Pheobe use her wits to win the day by having Gozer turn into something like…a tiny pea. And she walks up raises her foot high and squishes it. Then we cut to the OGB’s who are all “shit. Why didn’t we think of that in ‘84?”. I guess maybe that’s anti climactic.
Guess? It is totally anti-climactic and would cheat the audience of a big finale.
RichardLess wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 8:50 amI wonder what they do with all those traps now. Even if they were opened…Gozer can’t come back, right? Because the ritual hasn’t been completed.
That's definitely an open ended question. Presumably with no power source, the Traps are designed so they can't be accidentally opened until stored in a Containment Unit. But there's the question of can a Trap hold an entity indefinitely or would it break down eventually, hence requiring an eventual deposit into a Containment Unit which is built for long term storage? Or would storing all of Gozer, Zuul, Vinz, the P.K.E. cloud in one unit be too dangerous and require splitting up in several Containment Units?
RichardLess wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 3:46 pm I mean A) there are kids around and crossing the streams is dangerous as shit and B) they don’t cross the streams at Gozer in the first movie so They had no idea what it would or wouldn’t do to her in GBA. They cross the streams to close the gateway in the first movie. Closing the gateway is what stops good ol Gozer. Not them firing streams at her.
In the first movie they fire on her & she disappears. Crossing the streams is a last resort sort of thing or should be. We all remember the whole “molecules exploding at the speed of light”. When they faced Vigo you’ll notice the first thing they didn’t try was crossing the streams.
In the first movie crossing the streams is heroic and dangerous. They figure they are going to die and by a stoke of luck they survive. This movie…they are surrounded by a bunch of kids and the first thing they try is crossing the streams. And you think that makes sense?? When they never crossed the streams directly at Gozer before?
It's what stops the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man. Their proton streams did not touch her in the first movie, she discorporated herself before contact was made as she was proceeding on with the ritual.
Yeah, they didn't try it on Vigo. But I'd bet Ivan and co. didn't want to rehash the same thing in the sequel, hence making the Slime Blowers, whereas in this movie which was a love letter to the first, of course it would be used. But the problem is the rules. We're locked into what Egon says in the first movie in 1984 and don't have the benefit of new exposition is what I think the main issue of contention is. We don't know what research was done after, if safeguards were added to the throwers as they did in TVG canon, there's no line which might have helped with the logic of them not going full neutronas to be on the safe side when they cross streams, in the first movie they crossed 4 streams into an open portal but in this movie they fired crossed 3 streams at a god so different scenarios, different outcome maybe -- there's a lot ambiguity/conflict that could have been fixed with an extra line.
RichardLess wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 3:46 pm because there’s something very similar released just 6 months or so prior.
What?
At least six? God damn. Thanks for keeping count. I tend to repeat myself.
At least six? God damn. Thanks for keeping count. I tend to repeat myself.
(Sorry I couldn’t refuse)
Yeah the pea thing would be anti climatic but then I’m sure you could do it in a way that it doesn’t feel like that. Plus there’s nothing like getting a joke out of playing with peoples expectations. People expect this big epic finale and the movie is all “nah. We are doing something different”. Granted had they done that I’m sure I’d be here bitching about how they did a stupid pea joke rather than have a big epic ending lol. For the 7th time.
Also the Stay Puft Marshmallow man is Gozer, right? It’s Gozer the Destructor. So they have totally have their beams touch Gozer. Just not as the female flat top version. The beams light her ass on fire! Gozer and Stay Puft are the same being. Just in different forms.
And yeah you could be totally right Re new information regarding stream crossing, that would be one of the benefits of following the OGB’s around a bit more. Excellent points all around.
The something similar released 6 months prior was Zack Snyder’s Justice League. There’s these things called mother boxes and there’s a moment when…well it’s a long story but needless to say the creatures came to mind when I saw Gozer’s desiccated form.
Would you all want an answer to the Gozer trap question or should they just let it be?
Kingpin wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 4:57 pmRichardLess wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 3:46 pm. I mean A) there are kids around and crossing the streams is dangerous as shit
And they survived doing it the first time, as dangerous as it was. They probably reluctantly rationalised they had to jump to it as quickly as they did rather than give Gozer any more time that could lead to the world being destroyed.
RichardLess wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 3:46 pmB) they don’t cross the streams at Gozer in the first movie so They had no idea what it would or wouldn’t do to her in GBA. They cross the streams to close the gateway in the first movie. Closing the gateway is what stops good ol Gozer. Not them firing streams at her.
They don't have Egon for the informed strategy (and to point out it only worked because it disrupted Gozer's portal), so they've little choice but to use the last resort option - it was the biggest weapon in their arsenal that they were aware of, and f****g around with trying to find some other option ran a pretty big risk of getting them and everyone else killed.
They've danced with Gozer once already and they know enough of the steps... Plus trying to take it out straight away before it can be given another destructor form is another big plus.
RichardLess wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 3:46 pmWhen they faced Vigo you’ll notice the first thing they didn’t try was crossing the streams.
Because Vigo wasn't a Gozer-level threat.
RichardLess wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 4:00 pm I didn’t find the imagery new or anything special but maybe that’s bad timing on the movies part because there’s something very similar released just 6 months or so prior.
I can't say with certainty this is what Alpha meant, but I believe he meant it's a new visual for the Ghostbusters movies.
And you could potentially view it as a reference back to the unused concept from the first movie, of Gozer appearing as a sticky skeleton after the guys melted away the Stay Puft exterior.
RichardLess wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 4:00 pmVery close encounters of the third kind.
More John Carpenter's The Fog to me.
I never actually seen The Fog. I’m hit or miss on John Carpenter. I love The Thing. Love Big Trouble in Little China. But never was a fan of Halloween or Escape from New York.
As for the GB’s going for the stream crossing right away. See it would be nice to hear the characters say these things you mention rather than us just guessing that’s the deal. We’ve never really had to guess at the GB’s motivation for what and why they do something. Know what I mean? The crossing the streams could be solved very easily with some dialogue and with a bit of a joke too.
Ray could be trying to explain this elaborate strategy hes concocted to stop Gozer and Venkman just interrupts him and says “screw it. This bitch took Egon. Let’s cross em boys”
Winston “what about the kids?”
Venkman “Well if they survive they’ll owe us one. If not…if anyone asks it was Ray’s idea”
Ray “Alright. We’ll cross em. For Egon!”
Venkman: And for the United States of America with Liberty & Justice for all. Let’s play ball!”
Something like that.
That’s maybe a bit better than them just going for it. I think? Am I crazy? Plus this way we get some extra character stuff. I dunno.